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Right…that makes it ALL better

I’m really going to get off this hobby horse at some point, really I am.

But this latest excuse for the inexcusable….

So she was having an affair. And that justifies what, exactly?

My friend gabbicus was relating to me last night how someone had cited my post to her, arguing that it’s the Saudi’s land, the Saudi’s law, the Saudi’s right to do as they please.

Once again, I call bullshit. Think that one through. Really think it through, and if you can still stand by it, think it through again. Because it is, honesty, the same as excusing the decapitation of Daniel Pearl because of some lunatic fringe’s radical interpretation of Islam; it’s the same as saying, well, it was perfectly fine to take land from fill_in_the_blank ethnic minority’s land, or to deny rights to people on the basis of race and religion.

Yes, it’s the law of the land in Saudi Arabia.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good law. Doesn’t mean it’s a just law. And those who claim that, “well, it’s the law,” ignore the possibility that some laws, maybe, just maybe, might be bad ones, or even — gasp! — vile, reprehensible, and evil laws.

Not like there’s ever been any (make sure you actually READ this one, it’s a PEACH. Bastards.) of those.

Happier post to come later today, I’m sure.

Well, reasonably sure. It’s early yet.

19 Responses to Right…that makes it ALL better

  1. hero_writer

    You’re right, of course. We need to find a way to just . . . end this. This law is evil — and I think maybe Senator Obama’s office is going to get sick of hearing from me, as well as my representative to the House.

    I can’t shut up about this. For me, it’s personal.

    And I thank you for calling my attention to it, sir.

  2. oilyrags

    The very reason that democracy with universal suffrage is the only ethical form of government is that it is the only way in which the governed and the government are (in theory at least) one and the same. Under any other system, you BY DEFINITION have the law applied to classes of people who are powerless to shape the law. Now, this can happen in democracies as well (see Federalist Paper #10) but democracy is the only form of government where real justice even has a chance to exist.

    Which is why a theocratic, plutocratic, monarchistic society like Saudi Arabia is utterly unsurprising as a source of outrageous like this.

    As a side note, I would ask anyone who finds themself agreeing with me here to look at american politics and the role in it of religion, money, and family connections. When I consider these things, I find myself shitting my pants in fear.

  3. alryssa

    Some Saudi women are enraged, too.

    From inside Saudi Arabia: Abeer Mishkhas has plenty to say about what’s wrong with the system. “To say that for being in a public street with a man she deserved to be raped 14 times is simply beyond belief.”

    It may be in the American constitution that unreasonable laws should be objected to and queried – but the concept of protesting that which is inhumane is and should be universal. This isn’t about culture. It’s about a human being subjected to unspeakable acts of violence, who’s tried to commit suicide several times since it happened, who has no recourse thanks to a judge’s arbitrary and sadistic decision that really had no actual basis in law. Whoever thinks otherwise… really hasn’t ever been a victim.

  4. jennawaterford

    The staggering lack of empathy we see *so very often* from people who talk about horrific injustice in our own system and that of others is sickening.

    Empathizing with people who are facing torture and injustice is not the equivalent of condoning whatever crime or misdeed they have *allegedly* committed. People who cannot understand the difference are ignorant and deserving of being held to their own standards of justice.

    If the same story were retold with someone they loved (e.g. them) as the protagonist, I’m sure they would suddenly have a very different take on the situation.

  5. lithera

    Thanks for the update.

    I love your icon, btw.

  6. birdseyeview

    When I first read that, I became very curious about what methods were used to procure this “confession”.

    (Not that it would matter if it were true but I don’t trust the SA officials one wit.)

    My friend gabbicus was relating to me last night how someone had cited my post to her, arguing that it’s the Saudi’s land, the Saudi’s law, the Saudi’s right to do as they please.

    This makes me think of that old saying about being so open-minded your brain falls out. (Or an even better saying about how any “just law uplifts the human personality, any unjust law degrades it”.)

  7. davesbu

    there was a really good op/ed in NYC’s Metro paper from a Muslim woman enraged with this. Unfortunately, I can’t find the article but you’re totally right in every way.

  8. dewline

    Damn good question about the methods used to get that “confession”.

    Damn good question.

  9. dewline

    There are a lot of people out there in High Places seeking – so it seems to my eyes and ears – to retrain us to “walking in fear, one of another”, as if the days when we did such cruelties to ourselves and each other were part of a true Golden Age of Human Society. That lack of empathy shows a frightening level of success in the training process.

  10. dewline


  11. oilyrags

    Sadly, I have to disagree. Another way to say There are a lot of people out there in High Places seeking – so it seems to my eyes and ears – to retrain us to “walking in fear, one of another” is “divide and conquer.”

  12. dewline

    Doesn’t read like we’re that far apart on the page, when summed up in those three words.

  13. nealbailey

    I swear, I think it comes from people who watch Star Trek, where they fervently say, “Oh, it’s not OUR planet! We must not impede their development, even if it looks strange to OUR society, which is sophisticated and civilized!”

    But dude, don’t they ever watch the part where Picard is like, “Screw this noise! No more rape parties!” and then goes in and ruins everybody’s shit with a phaser?

  14. davidwynne

    I’m convinced that the whole “their country, their laws” attitude has more to do with it being Saudi Arabia (AKA the Bush family’s best buddies’ private playground kingdom), than any actual idealogical reasoning.

    It’ll be interesting to see if western government’s reactions to this are any different:,,2217259,00.html

  15. wyldemusick

    Local law or not, it’s a question of inhumane treatment of a human being. In which the word “inhumane” is applied in lieu of something strong enough to describe this hideousness.

    Of course, the BushCo isn’t going to raise objections. Don’t want to piss off one of the few regional buddies they think they still have.

  16. dewline

    *reads Guardian article…suffers immediate anger-induced headache*

  17. oilyrags

    Or yet another way, our old friend “Southern Strategy.”

  18. dewline

    …*sighs in sad regret*…

  19. alryssa


    I’m also concerned that there’s been very little mention of her male companion, who was also raped. Was he punished, too? There’s just not any details on that front. I don’t think male rape is something to be glossed over, at any rate.

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